Concealed Weapon Permit

[kcinnick]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

There are a few here that think I'm some 5'3" cocky guy strutting around with my 45 looking for a fight. I have strong stances I understand that. I have also been fortunate enough to train under some very great people. One was swat leader and head marksman for APD one was SRT team leader for Fort Polk and one was free lance edged weapons trainer for various departments. I agree with both sides of this issue. There is and never will be a perfect plan. Not be in a gun fight is the only perfect plan.

If I was planning to be in a gunfight I would NOT rely on my concealed carry pistol.

I actually plan to never be in a gun fight, but if one is brought to me I do carry a pistol everywhere I go.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by kcinnick

If I was planning to be in a gunfight I would NOT rely on my concealed carry pistol.

I actually plan to never be in a gun fight, but if one is brought to me I do carry a pistol everywhere I go.

I believe it was Jeff Cooper that said a handgun is only to fight your way back to your rifle.
You will never carry a handgun and have enough gun.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

You will never carry a handgun and have enough gun.

HAHA the only gun I have ever sold was a Desert Eagle .50 too much hand gun!! too much $$ to be wrapped up in a gun I didn't like to shot

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by marty f

HAHA the only gun I have ever sold was a Desert Eagle .50 too much hand gun!! too much $$ to be wrapped up in a gun I didn't like to shot

That's an expensive piece of iron to feed. Never was a DE fan. Yeah they look cool but don't handle well. IMO. Im not recoil sensitive the gun just feels like a heavy 2x4 to me.my buddy has a 480 ruger and that is a sweet piece. Even with 350grn horady xtp's it's a great gun. Obviously not a cc gun. Next toy will be a G20 10mm.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

Yeah they look cool but don't handle well. just feels like a heavy 2x4 to me.my .

I tried to shoot this .50 cal one handed.......ONCE
I did manage to keep it under control, but I never did that again.

[CajunChristian]

You guys are absolutely correct, there is no perfect plan. BUT, in today's world, you had better have some kind of a plan. When giving a presentation to a church, that is the first issue we discuss "due diligence". Churches can no longer keep their heads in the sand and say "it will never happen here". You want to see just how bad it really is, google "church shootings" or "church violence", you will be amazed. You will find thousands of incidents that never made the news.
OUR TEAMS GOAL IS TO DEESCALATE A SITUATION,NOT ESCALATE ONE.

I am not saying our team is better or worse than anyone else, I'm saying our team knows every inch of our facility and trains quarterly, in that facility. We do an unorthodox type qualifying every 3 months. And I assure you, it's not standing there shooting a paper target. If you fail the qualifying, you are weaponless for 3 months in church. Most of you really have no idea what a good Security Team entails. It's not just being able to hit a target and knowing the building. We send our team all over the US training with different tactical schools. Our Pastor is CC qualified and trains with us every 3 months. There is more for a Pastor to do defensively than simply carrying a pistol. We have signals set up should someone jump the stage and take anyone hostage. We train with the Worship Team, Greeters, Ushers, Child caregivers, Church Staff. I didn't just wake up one morning and decide to start training security teams.
And yes, everyone has their opinion as to what to do if one of my guys approaches you. Great, everyone should have an opinion, might be contrary to what the law says, but, everyone should have an opinion. I personally would not attend a church that I could not CC in. Again, I would not break the law to attend church with a gun. I also would not challenge any security team about carrying in THEIR FACILITY, you can't win. In any facility, church, store, any private property, if you are approached by a security team member and asked to disarm, legally, you MUST do so or leave.
A CHURCH IS PRIVATE PROPERTY! YOU ARE A VISITOR!
EVERY MEMBER OF OUR SECURITY TEAM, MALE AND FEMALE, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK YOU TO DISARM OR LEAVE. EVERY MEMBER OF OUR SECURITY TEAM HAS THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE YOU ARRESTED FOR REMAINING AFTER FORBIDDEN.
We're not asking you to like those facts, you will respect those facts in our facility.
And no, we do not walk around with our hands on our weapons looking to start trouble. Most of you could identify our team, the general public cannot.
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