McNeese Ducks Unlimited

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

They purchase the whole plot cuz the big wigs need a place to hunt while these face painters steady buying their gun calendars haha. As far as the projects in louisiana that were mentioned...Well that's almost comical.

What's so comical about them? Seriously, educate me, because apparently you know all about why DU is a farce. I want to know. I've yet to hear one compelling argument as to why they are a joke. Everything I've ever heard--heated ponds, baited fields, etc.--I've been able to disprove through my own research, independent of anything DU has said. There are simply more logical arguments for the same effects that these naysayers claim DU is responsible for causing.

If you really want to stop giving your money to causes that send money up north, you should probably stop buying hunting licenses, duck stamps, shells, or anything else associated with hunting, since taxes from those go to LDWF and USFWS, which in turn send money up north.

[wetfeathers00]

Originally Posted by Smalls

What's so comical about them? Seriously, educate me, because apparently you know all about why DU is a farce. I want to know. I've yet to hear one compelling argument as to why they are a joke. Everything I've ever heard--heated ponds, baited fields, etc.--I've been able to disprove through my own research, independent of anything DU has said. There are simply more logical arguments for the same effects that these naysayers claim DU is responsible for causing.

If you really want to stop giving your money to causes that send money up north, you should probably stop buying hunting licenses, duck stamps, shells, or anything else associated with hunting, since taxes from those go to LDWF and USFWS, which in turn send money up north.

Debate this:


I Joined DU in the Lake Charles area in 1981. Held meetings in Burton Coliseum all the time. It was a great organization.


But DU has become a UNION, and they have dug into the Federal racketeering GRANTS programs to make the DU UNION leaders rich. The federal grants they secure have a problem, they are for developing UNDEVELOPED land into wild life management.


SINCE THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA is pretty much a wildlife habitat, and they cant spend the money in Louisiana to develop land that is already considered wildlife management areas they turned to the northern states of ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, ILLINOIS, and IOWA to fulfill their FEDERAL GRANT obligation and to keep the dollars in their pockets.


WHO cares if it screwed up the flight patterns and Central Flyway. DU damn sure doesn't.


They just want to show their face in the FORMER DUCK HUNTING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD to continue getting revenue from the Un-Informed hunters of Louisiana.


Since 1981 I have seen DU memberships in Louisiana drop over half. And this not because of some fluke.


Many people are aware of what DU does now and they do not approve.

[capt coonassty]

Originally Posted by wetfeathers00

Debate this:
Many people are aware of what DU does now and they do not approve.

Do they? Clearly not.

DU has done a lot of terracing in Louisiana with state, federal, and private funds.

I think most of these guys your talking about getting rich off of DU started off rich.

[AubreyLaHaye458]

Originally Posted by wetfeathers00

Debate this:


I Joined DU in the Lake Charles area in 1981. Held meetings in Burton Coliseum all the time. It was a great organization.


But DU has become a UNION, and they have dug into the Federal racketeering GRANTS programs to make the DU UNION leaders rich. The federal grants they secure have a problem, they are for developing UNDEVELOPED land into wild life management.


SINCE THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA is pretty much a wildlife habitat, and they cant spend the money in Louisiana to develop land that is already considered wildlife management areas they turned to the northern states of ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, ILLINOIS, and IOWA to fulfill their FEDERAL GRANT obligation and to keep the dollars in their pockets.


WHO cares if it screwed up the flight patterns and Central Flyway. DU damn sure doesn't.


They just want to show their face in the FORMER DUCK HUNTING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD to continue getting revenue from the Un-Informed hunters of Louisiana.


Since 1981 I have seen DU memberships in Louisiana drop over half. And this not because of some fluke.


Many people are aware of what DU does now and they do not approve.

Did you also hear about the giant net they put up at the Ark/La state line??


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[wetfeathers00]

Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458

Did you also hear about the giant net they put up at the Ark/La state line??


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haha,

Have you been to Arkansas lately, have you seen the massive landscape changes they have made to farming lands and wooded areas that have been leveled and pretty much turned into artificial marshes and RICE PONDS (in arkansas lol)

But I guess you haven't noticed the drop in Duck Populations in LA over the last 20 years.

Let me give you the Federal Grant Plan.

Feds will give DU 1,000,000 for Louisiana funding because Louisiana is considered wildlife habitat already.

Feds will give DU 10,000,000 for Arkansas and other states because they are not considered Migratory bird sanctuaries, but will only allow the spending of the 10, 000, 000 grants in these areas.

Now which Grant do you think DU is going to chase more???

[wetfeathers00]

Look,

For thousands of years DUCKS have been migrating from the North to the South as programmed by nature. Thats why we have duck seasons, thats why the hunting dates are made around this fall migration.

SO using the argument of building breeding Sanctuaries is absurd. They were already breeding sanctuaries.

DU did a lot of good things in the beginning, but when they got into land management to help grow the organization, they made their biggest mistakes. Changing landscapes to secure federal funding has nothing to do with the conservation.

Kinda of like a church wanting to grow, and asking the church members to put up enough money to buy a 10 million dollar airplane to spread the word and buy a bigger church.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by wetfeathers00

Look,

For thousands of years DUCKS have been migrating from the North to the South as programmed by nature. Thats why we have duck seasons, thats why the hunting dates are made around this fall migration.

SO using the argument of building breeding Sanctuaries is absurd. They were already breeding sanctuaries.

DU did a lot of good things in the beginning, but when they got into land management to help grow the organization, they made their biggest mistakes. Changing landscapes to secure federal funding has nothing to do with the conservation.

Kinda of like a church wanting to grow, and asking the church members to put up enough money to buy a 10 million dollar airplane to spread the word and buy a bigger church.

this is where you just lost me. There were already breeding sanctuaries? So the prairie potholes being converted to agricultural production means nothing to you?

I keep seeing this "for thousands of years" crap. Who is arguing that crap? If anything, it's the anti-DU crowd that thinks DU is purposely changing the flyway with these practices. If you are trying to suggest that habitat work does not need to be done across the flyway, then we need not even continue this conversation. It would be pointless for me or anyone else to point out all of the degraded habitat from the breeding grounds in the Prairie Potholes to the coastal marshes in Louisiana.

[wetfeathers00]

Originally Posted by Smalls

this is where you just lost me. There were already breeding sanctuaries? So the prairie potholes being converted to agricultural production means nothing to you?

I keep seeing this "for thousands of years" crap. Who is arguing that crap? If anything, it's the anti-DU crowd that thinks DU is purposely changing the flyway with these practices. If you are trying to suggest that habitat work does not need to be done across the flyway, then we need not even continue this conversation. It would be pointless for me or anyone else to point out all of the degraded habitat from the breeding grounds in the Prairie Potholes to the coastal marshes in Louisiana.

MY OH MY, I GUESS THIS IS TOP SECRET INFORMATION. Look at the Coinciding map info.

One is DU projects the other is Flyway changes. Notice the large vacant spaces missing red dots in south Louisiana.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by wetfeathers00

Debate this:


I Joined DU in the Lake Charles area in 1981. Held meetings in Burton Coliseum all the time. It was a great organization.


But DU has become a UNION, and they have dug into the Federal racketeering GRANTS programs to make the DU UNION leaders rich. The federal grants they secure have a problem, they are for developing UNDEVELOPED land into wild life management.


SINCE THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA is pretty much a wildlife habitat, and they cant spend the money in Louisiana to develop land that is already considered wildlife management areas they turned to the northern states of ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, ILLINOIS, and IOWA to fulfill their FEDERAL GRANT obligation and to keep the dollars in their pockets.


WHO cares if it screwed up the flight patterns and Central Flyway. DU damn sure doesn't.


They just want to show their face in the FORMER DUCK HUNTING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD to continue getting revenue from the Un-Informed hunters of Louisiana.


Since 1981 I have seen DU memberships in Louisiana drop over half. And this not because of some fluke.


Many people are aware of what DU does now and they do not approve.

"Developing undeveloped land into wildlife management"

I'm not following this. Why would you develop undeveloped land into wildlife management? What is undeveloped land? There is a lot of recreational acreage in Louisiana that I would consider undeveloped. Undeveloped land is typically wildlife habitat already, so why would there be a grant established to fund activities that manage it for wildlife?

What grant program is this you are referring to? I mean, it has to have a name. It's not some nameless grant. The Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration Program grants are only available to state and regional government agencies.

I still fail to follow this logic, because I know several seasoned duck hunters, who aren't YELLING IN ALL CAPS ON THE INTERNET, that don't seem to have a problem with DU. On the flip side, I know several that do have a problem with DU (with no real foundation), but still support an organization like CCA.

Moral is, I don't know what you are talking about. What I did understand, I could say for any conservation organization. I've heard the same stories about CCA and National Wild Turkey Federation. One I believe in and support, the other I don't.