Trump's first day as POTUS

[seachaser250]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Yup....CEO of a Weed Company.... also Climber of 6 of the 7 worlds tallest mountains (including Everest). Also someone who successfully curbed big government in his state and returned it SOUNDLY to a good fiscal standing. A person who is also a Staunch supporter of not only Gun Rights and 2nd amendment, but is in support of every single one of your rights as an American citizen. Simply put a man who has done nearly everything right for his country his whole life. A man who's stated policies actually make sense and offer VIABLE solutions to real problems that this country faces.

But instead you propose that our "best" option is some raging crack headed fool who has made a name for himself out of failing with both his and other peoples money in such spectacular fashions time and time again.. Said fool's every voiced idea is simply a push, to hit sound bites that his campaign has identified as being hot topics. Said fool has openly lambasted the republican party as being full of fools and idiots who will vote for anyone, as long as they are saying what they want to hear.

Brother, i will take that pot smoker over you and yours every damned day of the year.

Then get ready for a Democrat in the White House.

As a someone in the financial sector I don't like that some of Trumps companies have filed bankruptcy. But like smart business people he took advantage of loopholes created by Washington. Those filings were a strategic move that every businessman would most likely have made.

PS: See bolded text. Are we supposed to care about this?

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by seachaser250

Then get ready for a Democrat in the White House.

As a someone in the financial sector I don't like that some of Trumps companies have filed bankruptcy. But like smart business people he took advantage of loopholes created by Washington. Those filings were a strategic move that every businessman would most likely have made.

PS: See bolded text. Are we supposed to care about this?

You don't need to care about it at all. I choose to "Care" because it represents a very clear thing to me.... This guy strives for excellence..... not mediocrity..... This guy was known as "VETO Johnson" for using his line item veto powers to veto bills more than 200 times in his first 6 months in office. He did that to cut government waste and spending.... All the other gov's combined in the USA didn't veto 1/10 of that amount collectively during his two terms in office. To summarize.... not only does he talk the talk... he has indeed walked the walk.....

As far as Trump just being a smart businessman and taking advantage of loopholes, If you buy that... then i must presume you have no issue in any form with the millions of american's living (no THRIVING) of welfare..... because they are one and the same... except Trump does it on a so much larger scale.

Again your arguing that me supporting someone else with some morals, is going to mean that trump will lose and we will somehow end up choosing the "greater" evil once again..... When in reality both the evils are just washing corporate america's hands.

Me.... I wan't a star QB leading my team... not some second rate, no account, has been, that never really was.

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

You don't need to care about it at all. I choose to "Care" because it represents a very clear thing to me.... This guy strives for excellence..... not mediocrity..... This guy was known as "VETO Johnson" for using his line item veto powers to veto bills more than 200 times in his first 6 months in office. He did that to cut government waste and spending.... All the other gov's combined in the USA didn't veto 1/10 of that amount collectively during his two terms in office. To summarize.... not only does he talk the talk... he has indeed walked the walk.....

As far as Trump just being a smart businessman and taking advantage of loopholes, If you buy that... then i must presume you have no issue in any form with the millions of american's living (no THRIVING) of welfare..... because they are one and the same... except Trump does it on a so much larger scale.

Again your arguing that me supporting someone else with some morals, is going to mean that trump will lose and we will somehow end up choosing the "greater" evil once again..... When in reality both the evils are just washing corporate america's hands.

Me.... I wan't a star QB leading my team... not some second rate, no account, has been, that never really was.

[Baychamp1]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

You don't need to care about it at all. I choose to "Care" because it represents a very clear thing to me.... This guy strives for excellence..... not mediocrity..... This guy was known as "VETO Johnson" for using his line item veto powers to veto bills more than 200 times in his first 6 months in office. He did that to cut government waste and spending.... All the other gov's combined in the USA didn't veto 1/10 of that amount collectively during his two terms in office. To summarize.... not only does he talk the talk... he has indeed walked the walk.....

As far as Trump just being a smart businessman and taking advantage of loopholes, If you buy that... then i must presume you have no issue in any form with the millions of american's living (no THRIVING) of welfare..... because they are one and the same... except Trump does it on a so much larger scale.

Again your arguing that me supporting someone else with some morals, is going to mean that trump will lose and we will somehow end up choosing the "greater" evil once again..... When in reality both the evils are just washing corporate america's hands.

Me.... I wan't a star QB leading my team... not some second rate, no account, has been, that never really was.

So the millions thriving on Welfare won't have to worry about being drug tested with Gary's liberal drug policy, their not hurting anybody - right?

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Baychamp1

So the millions thriving on Welfare won't have to worry about being drug tested with Gary's liberal drug policy, their not hurting anybody - right?

If a drug that has a significantly lower impact, than either Alcohol or Tobacco is legalized, then i strongly suspect that the same thing happening with users of those drugs will happen with users of weed.... they will enjoy it when they are not working.... and when they are working they will abstain...

Certainly that's whats happening in states who have chosen to de-criminalize / legalize.

crazy concept isn't it....

[Baychamp1]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

If a drug that has a significantly lower impact, than either Alcohol or Tobacco is legalized, then i strongly suspect that the same thing happening with users of those drugs will happen with users of weed.... they will enjoy it when they are not working.... and when they are working they will abstain...

Certainly that's whats happening in states who have chosen to de-criminalize / legalize.

crazy concept isn't it....

The flaw in that concept is when your company drug tests you for marijuana there is no distinction to determine if you were using it on your days off or at work, it's the number of nanograms in your bloodstream at the time of the test, and thats stored in your fat cells so those levels diminish over long periods of time, it's not an exact science that can say when and how much you've consumed.

[scott craft]

Originally Posted by Baychamp1

The flaw in that concept is when your company drug tests you for marijuana there is no distinction to determine if you were using it on your days off or at work, it's the number of nanograms in your bloodstream at the time of the test, and thats stored in your fat cells so those levels diminish over long periods of time, it's not an exact science that can say when and how much you've consumed.

That will be a problem that companies will have to figure out. Maybe the testing will improve if weed is legalized in more states. I know this is something my coworkers and I have talked about.


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[Baychamp1]

Originally Posted by scott craft

That will be a problem that companies will have to figure out. Maybe the testing will improve if weed is legalized in more states. I know this is something my coworkers and I have talked about.


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No, this won't be a problem that companies have to figure out, just like it is now, you will have to figure out how much your job is worth compared to the alternative. Can't sugarcoat it, at least not now.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Baychamp1

The flaw in that concept is when your company drug tests you for marijuana there is no distinction to determine if you were using it on your days off or at work, it's the number of nanograms in your bloodstream at the time of the test, and thats stored in your fat cells so those levels diminish over long periods of time, it's not an exact science that can say when and how much you've consumed.

ummmm... if you can't pass a drug test... then you can't work for that company.... so... no different than what goes on in places that currently allow pot use.

not saying its a perfect system... but its not a system that is so flawed that it will keep me from voting for someone who actually has some moral fiber and a sense of both responsibility and ethics.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Baychamp1

So the millions thriving on Welfare won't have to worry about being drug tested with Gary's liberal drug policy, their not hurting anybody - right?

Oh and by the way, if we get a libertarian in office who can cleanse us of some of the crony capitalism going on. Real capitalism (via a laissez faire policy) will take hold again and our economy will be booming so much that those people will want to work... because the rewards will be truly meaningful.

[Baychamp1]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Oh and by the way, if we get a libertarian in office who can cleanse us of some of the crony capitalism going on. Real capitalism (via a laissez faire policy) will take hold again and our economy will be booming so much that those people will want to work... because the rewards will be truly meaningful.

If your definition of crony capitalism is business depending on gov't for their success, rather than gov't getting out of the way I agree 100 pct.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Baychamp1

If your definition of crony capitalism is business depending on gov't for their success, rather than gov't getting out of the way I agree 100 pct.

Pretty much that. Crony Capitolism aka good old boy networking etc... When mega business gets to finance lifestyles of the rich and famous episodes (washington DC season) in return for getting laws written in such a way as it favors them.... yes.

for a rather glaring perfect example look to "obamacare" the name of which should really be... "Mega Insurance company care" Those same mega companies lobbied with untold millions probably even billions of dollars to be able to WRITE the actual new laws..... They won that right and voila the country is stuck with the biggest joke of a healthcare program that has ever been seen... yet its a VERY VERY PROFITABLE program...

Across the board look at every single large insurance providers stock since "obamacare" was rolled out....Kaiser, Aetna, Humana, Cigna, Wellpoint...you name it. They have ALL nearly tripled their stock values............................................ ...............

Yet you, I, and everyone else who is not a public servant is required by law to participate in this pyramid scheme.... and if you don't.. you get slammed with repressive hidden tax.

It's the corporate version of fish in a barrel!!!

Which leads me right to my original point... IT AINT BOUT DEM CRAT'S OR DEM PUBLICAN'S .... OBAMACARE PASSED WITH STRONG SUPPORT FROM BOTH PARTIES..... because the people paying their bills (insurance companies) said it better pass!

When you look at the above versus taking a Laissez Faire attitude towards capitalism (think in terms of no government intervention, a business either sinks or swims based on its own abilities and merits)

Then the truth of what path we should be own becomes much more self evident.

simple... FOLLOW THE MONEY.... and SEE WHO BENEFITS.....

[Baychamp1]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Pretty much that. Crony Capitolism aka good old boy networking etc... When mega business gets to finance lifestyles of the rich and famous episodes (washington DC season) in return for getting laws written in such a way as it favors them.... yes.

for a rather glaring perfect example look to "obamacare" the name of which should really be... "Mega Insurance company care" Those same mega companies lobbied with untold millions probably even billions of dollars to be able to WRITE the actual new laws..... They won that right and voila the country is stuck with the biggest joke of a healthcare program that has ever been seen... yet its a VERY VERY PROFITABLE program...

Across the board look at every single large insurance providers stock since "obamacare" was rolled out....Kaiser, Aetna, Humana, Cigna, Wellpoint...you name it. They have ALL nearly tripled their stock values............................................ ...............

Yet you, I, and everyone else who is not a public servant is required by law to participate in this pyramid scheme.... and if you don't.. you get slammed with repressive hidden tax.

It's the corporate version of fish in a barrel!!!

Which leads me right to my original point... IT AINT BOUT DEM CRAT'S OR DEM PUBLICAN'S .... OBAMACARE PASSED WITH STRONG SUPPORT FROM BOTH PARTIES..... because the people paying their bills (insurance companies) said it better pass!

When you look at the above versus taking a Laissez Faire attitude towards capitalism (think in terms of no government intervention, a business either sinks or swims based on its own abilities and merits)

Then the truth of what path we should be own becomes much more self evident.

simple... FOLLOW THE MONEY.... and SEE WHO BENEFITS.....

Get your facts straight, No Republicans in the House or Senate voted for Obamacare - check the roll call vote! A perfect example of crony capitalism, forced on the insurance companies by the Democrats, not both parties!!!