why is LDWF out at Medusa?

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Smalls

That license/fee is to use a public resource. No one owns the wildlife or fish just because they walk or swim onto their land.

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So you don't believe in private property rights? On my land I own everything. Everything. If one does not wish to fall under that guide line they should stay away. Be it person or wildlife. If LDWF wants to control the animals that are on the property I own and hunt perhaps I should issue an eviction notice. Give LWFD 30 days to remove all taxed animals from my property. After the 30 days I shoot all of them(animals). I understand that your income obviously comes from tax dollars taken from peoples pay checks so you feel complelled to defend your job. It is a huge theft. Gotta buy your basic license then your deer license then bow license then primative license then turkey license. It is a huge theft. I'm shocked the thieves don't charge a license for each kind of stand a deer hunter uses.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

So you don't believe in private property rights? On my land I own everything. Everything. If one does not wish to fall under that guide line they should stay away. Be it person or wildlife. If LDWF wants to control the animals that are on the property I own and hunt perhaps I should issue an eviction notice. Give LWFD 30 days to remove all taxed animals from my property. After the 30 days I shoot all of them(animals). I understand that your income obviously comes from tax dollars taken from peoples pay checks so you feel complelled to defend your job. It is a huge theft. Gotta buy your basic license then your deer license then bow license then primative license then turkey license. It is a huge theft. I'm shocked the thieves don't charge a license for each kind of stand a deer hunter uses.

I don't work for wildlife and fisheries, so I'm not sure whar you're getting at. I just have a fundamental grasp on how wildlife management in this country operates, and a grasp on the fact that we would not have wildlife today if it weren't for taxes (pushed for by hunters and fishermen) that fund our wildlife agencies and the enforcement that keeps our wildlife around. Otherwise, we would be in the same state we were at the turn of the 20th century--diminished deer, turkey, and waterfowl numbers due to unregulated exploitation of game populations.

But the fact is, private property rights differ from wildlife ownership. You can post a "No Trespassing" sign on your property, and that is completely legal. You cannot, however, in the state of Louisiana resurrect a high fence and claim all of the wildlife inside as your own. Wildlife is a public trust. No one individual can own it. That is how this country was established and differs so beautifully from European countries where only the rich have access to wildlife.

If you don't like that, don't buy a license. It's that simple.

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[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Smalls

You cannot, however, in the state of Louisiana resurrect a high fence and claim all of the wildlife inside as your own. Wildlife is a public trust.
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But, as long as you got money, you can gate off entire canals and marshlands and claim all the wildlife on the inside as yours. I'm sure, again as long as your name is Gray or Henning etc etc etc, you can erect a high fence as well and claim everything on the inside. This is Louisiana after all.

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

But, as long as you got money, you can gate off entire canals and marshlands and claim all the wildlife on the inside as yours. I'm sure, again as long as your name is Gray or Henning etc etc etc, you can erect a high fence as well and claim everything on the inside. This is Louisiana after all.

Didn’t the Busbice boys high fence a crap load of land in Olla also? I’d be willing to bet LA game wardens don’t mess with their place either.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Didn?t the Busbice boys high fence a crap load of land in Olla also? I?d be willing to bet LA game wardens don?t mess with their place either.

They high fenced their place and I think someone elses property as their own as well.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Didn?t the Busbice boys high fence a crap load of land in Olla also? I?d be willing to bet LA game wardens don?t mess with their place either.

You can legally high fence in Louisiana.

However, all the wild deer have to be out of the fenced area. It is pretty heavily regulated by the Louisiana Department of Ag and Forestry. High fence operations in Louisiana are no different than cow pastures--they are farms. The deer are classified as "alternative livestock".

Anyone that tells you they have wild deer in a high fence in Louisiana is either lying or breaking the law. They have to import every deer within the fence.

Now, I think even being able to buy deer to put in an enclosure is ridiculous. Someone obviously captured some deer at some point, which is illegal--or at the very least goes against the North American Model for Wildlife Conservation--and started "farming" them.

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[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Smalls

You can legally high fence in Louisiana.

However, all the wild deer have to be out of the fenced area. It is pretty heavily regulated by the Louisiana Department of Ag and Forestry. High fence operations in Louisiana are no different than cow pastures--they are farms. The deer are classified as "alternative livestock".

Anyone that tells you they have wild deer in a high fence in Louisiana is either lying or breaking the law. They have to import every deer within the fence.

Now, I think even being able to buy deer to put in an enclosure is ridiculous. Someone obviously captured some deer at some point, which is illegal--or at the very least goes against the North American Model for Wildlife Conservation--and started "farming" them.

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Yes, i know its legal to high fence your property in LA. How could you possibly remove or know that you have removed all the deer from the property before the fence goes up? Didn’t they high fence something crazy like a few thousand acres or more? And do they also have to follow the same season dates, and laws that the entire state does?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Yes, i know its legal to high fence your property in LA. How could you possibly remove or know that you have removed all the deer from the property before the fence goes up? Didn?t they high fence something crazy like a few thousand acres or more? And do they also have to follow the same season dates, and laws that the entire state does?

Well, that's the tricky part (whether the wild deer have all been removed), and I don't know all of the ins and outs, but all deer brought into have to have a permit/tag of some type. So either the wild deer are not going to have a tag, or they are going to be falsely tagged. I believe those outfits are inspected annually, and the permits have to be reapplied for annually.

Seasons are different for farm-raised deer. Runs October 1 to January 31. They can also harvest at any will at any time as long as 48 hours notice is provided and with written approval from the department (LDAF), who then notifies LDWF. They also have to have a harvest permit and a tag for each carcass.

Canned hunts are also prohibited, with a canned hunt being one where you will kill a deer with certainty. Now, how they define "certainty" I'm not sure. Seems like a slippery slope. How would you go about proving that it was a canned hunt if that is based on a harvest being a "certainty"?

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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

You can legally high fence in Louisiana.

However, all the wild deer have to be out of the fenced area. It is pretty heavily regulated by the Louisiana Department of Ag and Forestry. High fence operations in Louisiana are no different than cow pastures--they are farms. The deer are classified as "alternative livestock".

Anyone that tells you they have wild deer in a high fence in Louisiana is either lying or breaking the law. They have to import every deer within the fence.

Now, I don't have a biology degree, but I expect that at some point even farm raised deer are gonna do the "wild thing" and give rise to new deer in the fence that are legitimately legal but were not imported.

Then there are the case of the state's overly eager bucks circumventing the protective measures and impregnating private farmed does. Do they gotta pay child support? Or does title on the offspring revert to the state?

Inquiring minds want to know~!

[Smalls]

duckman1911

I'm not wasting my time with you anymore.

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Now, I don't have a biology degree, but I expect that at some point even farm raised deer are gonna do the "wild thing" and give rise to new deer in the fence that are legitimately legal but were not imported.

Then there are the case of the state's overly eager bucks circumventing the protective measures and impregnating private farmed does. Do they gotta pay child support? Or does title on the offspring revert to the state?

Inquiring minds want to know~!

And I would have expected better from you, but I guess that was as foolish as your questions.

Don't you have 3 or 4 degrees? I think you are perfectly capable of searching out and reading regulations, regardless of your biology background.

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