CCA lets us down again

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

If all marsh land is free to use as pleased by the public, then there is absolutely zero value on marsh property. Why buy it when you can do as you please for free?

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

When/If that time comes we can have that discussion. THIS BILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND.

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[Ranger]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

Try and fence in said property and see what WLF does with their deer on your property. If you want to gate off your marsh then have at it. Just require that the gate doesn't allow fish to travel from public waters onto/from your property. Just like a game fence.

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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.

Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.

Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

Then gate it off so my fish(public) can't go on your property.

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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Then gate it off so my fish(public) can't go on your property.

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I don't own any land, but IF this thing passes, you better believe gates will be all over the place.

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

I don't own any land, but IF this thing passes, you better believe gates will be all over the place.

No they won't. Read the bill. Only gates erected previously with a permit from the Corp will be allowed to remain.


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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Ranger

No they won't. Read the bill. Only gates erected previously with a permit from the Corp will be allowed to remain.


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Pretty sure there will be ways around it. If not gates, levees, weirs, etc. Most of the big time land owners have plenty of pull, and Louisiana is about as political as it can get.

["W"]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.



Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

Who?s water are they using to fill up there canal ?
States water
They sure the hell ain?t bringing water hose and 5gall buckets to fill it up
Again had zero to do with land
It?s tidal water only ..

49 other states have zero issues but La seems to have it ..
It?s simple
If Gulf of Mexico waters move it we should be able to fish it
State owns all tidal water

If I?m sitting at Jetties and that same water 5 hours later goes in a marsh it don?t become private.. it?s still tidal waters owned by the state

If land owners don?t want people fishing in marsh
Levee it off and have zero tidal state waters on it
It?s our fish shrimp oysters and crabs not the land owners !!



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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by "W"

Who?s water are they using to fill up there canal ?
States water
They sure the hell ain?t bringing water hose and 5gall buckets to fill it up
Again had zero to do with land
It?s tidal water only ..

49 other states have zero issues but La seems to have it ..
It?s simple
If Gulf of Mexico waters move it we should be able to fish it
State owns all tidal water

If I?m sitting at Jetties and that same water 5 hours later goes in a marsh it don?t become private.. it?s still tidal waters owned by the state

If land owners don?t want people fishing in marsh
Levee it off and have zero tidal state waters on it
It?s our fish shrimp oysters and crabs not the land owners !!



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No one owns the air or ducks or geese either. Does that mean I can go hunt wherever I want too? Same principle.

I understand that no one owns water, and broken up coastal marsh is one thing. But, there are lots of marshes with only one or two ways in and out, and often times these ways are only there because the landowner dug a canal or trail on their LAND. That should not entitle everyone on earth to go into these marshes and do as they please. Hell, lots of these marshes are dead ends, which makes it tidal but not navigable.

50/50 on it passing, and if it does, I'd be willing to bet there will still be ways to keep people out. I'm not a landowner, and you know I mostly redfish, but I can't sit here and think that because I can get to someones land via way that they created, that I should just be able to go fish it. It's not a natural waterway at that point.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

No one owns the air or ducks or geese either. Does that mean I can go hunt wherever I want too? Same principle.

I understand that no one owns water, and broken up coastal marsh is one thing. But, there are lots of marshes with only one or two ways in and out, and often times these ways are only there because the landowner dug a canal or trail on their LAND. That should not entitle everyone on earth to go into these marshes and do as they please. Hell, lots of these marshes are dead ends, which makes it tidal but not navigable.

50/50 on it passing, and if it does, I'd be willing to bet there will still be ways to keep people out. I'm not a landowner, and you know I mostly redfish, but I can't sit here and think that because I can get to someones land via way that they created, that I should just be able to go fish it. It's not a natural waterway at that point.

How do u feel about private canals dug with tax payer money?

["W"]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

How do u feel about private canals dug with tax payer money?

Or Coastal erosion projects on private marshes
Like they said at meeting
We need to defund the coastal marsh projects if we can?t benefit from it .
Using our tax dollars to save Mr Oil Mans land and marsh




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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

How do u feel about private canals dug with tax payer money?

I think it sucks.

Also a reason I don't donate to certain organizations that will use that money on private land, but at least I have a choice in that matter.

How do you feel about the fact that the landowners pay property taxes on the land that said canal is on, and the public doesn't? Lots of marsh out there without taxpayer paid canals.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

I think it sucks.

Also a reason I don't donate to certain organizations that will use that money on private land, but at least I have a choice in that matter.

How do you feel about the fact that the landowners pay property taxes on the land that said canal is on, and the public doesn't? Lots of marsh out there without taxpayer paid canals.

I agree with the land being theirs that they pay taxes on, but once tax money is used to dig a canal, said canal should be open to the public. Then on top of that, tax paid sheriffs deputy to sit in a car and make sure no one goes down the canal.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

No one owns the air or ducks or geese either. Does that mean I can go hunt wherever I want too? Same principle.

I understand that no one owns water, and broken up coastal marsh is one thing. But, there are lots of marshes with only one or two ways in and out, and often times these ways are only there because the landowner dug a canal or trail on their LAND. That should not entitle everyone on earth to go into these marshes and do as they please. Hell, lots of these marshes are dead ends, which makes it tidal but not navigable.

50/50 on it passing, and if it does, I'd be willing to bet there will still be ways to keep people out. I'm not a landowner, and you know I mostly redfish, but I can't sit here and think that because I can get to someones land via way that they created, that I should just be able to go fish it. It's not a natural waterway at that point.

It wont pass (and shouldn't pass) because there are a lot of kinks to work out - kinks that should have been worked out before it was even put up for vote. When it doesn't pass, there will be outrage, but it NEEDS work before it goes back up for vote

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

It wont pass (and shouldn't pass) because there are a lot of kinks to work out - kinks that should have been worked out before it was even put up for vote. When it doesn't pass, there will be outrage, but it NEEDS work before it goes back up for vote

Please explain to me what kinks need to be worked out ?
It?s pretty simple

It works fine in Texas so why would it not work here !

The power of people made a pretty bold statement and I personally spoke with two state senators who said they were really impressed with the showing of anglers support for this bill .
One who was opposed but now had change of heart and is for it .

Other will be a vote in House

Only ones who are worried are duck hunters thinking people are going to mess them up and it?s going to be law that it will be off limits during waterfowl season .

They need to use there BIg Money and levee there land from title waters


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[redaddiction]

Originally Posted by "W"

Please explain to me what kinks need to be worked out ?
It?s pretty simple

It works fine in Texas so why would it not work here !

The power of people made a pretty bold statement and I personally spoke with two state senators who said they were really impressed with the showing of anglers support for this bill .
One who was opposed but now had change of heart and is for it .

Other will be a vote in House

Only ones who are worried are duck hunters thinking people are going to mess them up and it?s going to be law that it will be off limits during waterfowl season .

They need to use there BIg Money and levee there land from title waters


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Because there is no specific wording that will allow you to fish those waters. They?re tricking the publIc while appeasing the big land owners. Typical politics.

[schol]

If land owners don?t want people fishing in marsh
Levee it off and have zero tidal state waters on it
It?s our fish shrimp oysters and crabs not the land owners !!

Won't this result in the supply of shrimp and crabs, which feeds our estuary, being cut off? That's what makes me nervous.

["W"]

Originally Posted by schol

Won't this result in the supply of shrimp and crabs, which feeds our estuary, being cut off? That's what makes me nervous.

No because most marshes have a main that is public canal
If the start levee off from tidal flow it will be awesome
Don?t have to worry about fish being on there ?private property ?
Law states tidal water are owned by state of Louisiana
No land owners
If my state waters are over you land o damn well stop the flow .

49 states have this law in place
We are only one who don?t

It?s time for use to move into actin


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