15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

1st off I didnt ask for anyone support but one guy on here and he is the only one I need...this is not a boycott bandwagon. I can do all the damage I need in News papers, news stations and Magazines
I don't need an army ...

Btw..did you find that oyster dredging fact

W, I love how you use the word "we" so much. If you weren't looking for support (attention)....why did you post a "pole" to find out who was in agreement with you? Jeff Poe knows alot more about the goings-on in Big Lake than you, yet, he does not have facts that 100% prove that the limit reduction was a bad thing. Nobody cares what you think because you are too wishy-washy. You do the very same thing in the Sports Bar time after time. Chicken proved that and you had no defense to state otherwise.

BTW, Will Drost must have had the evidence to get the limit reduced because he sure got it done.

["W"]

Originally Posted by adamsfence

i just post one

Just read thought that...that says zero about hurting Big Lake....they only thing mention was how north end stays closed which it has always been closed and water temps....lol

[adamsfence]

no you didn't read it it says that the live oysters on the north end supports marine life alot better than the destroyed reefs on the south ends. the north end has larger clusters and is able to support the stuff for the bait to eat.

[MathGeek]

I think the oyster issue is more important, but when I consider the challenge for data, I have to concede that I have not seen as much data on the oyster issue in Calcasieu as I have on the trout limit issue. My convictions on the oyster issue come more from the historical decline of Galveston Bay and Chesapeake Bay fisheries after the oyster reefs were dramatically over harvested in these systems. However, there were other pollution and urban run-off factors that are not present in Calcasieu. The reason so little data is available in Calcasieu is that the issue only started to become as serious as I believe it is now in 2010. Usually it takes some time for studies to be conducted and the data to become available. So the absence of data is not evidence for the absence of a serious problem. Calcasieu might be more resilient with respect to other estuaries with regards to the decimation of its oyster reefs. I don't think so, but there is too little data at this time.

Since the trout limit change occurred in 2006, there has been more time for data to emerge, though I think the data is not really definitive. The data is rather compelling that the problem is real and raising the limit would probably improve both the overall health of the ecosystem and be likely to increase the number of larger trout by improving growth rates and body condition. However, the available data shows that there is not likely a looming disaster, only an opportunity for improvement.

The oyster issue is probably more important in the long run, and I hope folks keep their eyes open for data and bring hard facts into the discussion.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by adamsfence

http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...BeckThesis.pdf

alot of info here but this is a study on several sites including a comparision of the north and south ends of big lake.......maybe someone smarter than me can interpet it. its on the effects of oyster dredging. i personally don't care either way what ever is best for the lake.....probly both

Great find and a valuable resource to inform this discussion. Thanks for posting the link.

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by chasin'tail

W, it's just the way the world goes. Your fight for limits to be put back to where they should be is one that, can't be won without some very high ups getting on-board. And I'm afraid that they have to much vested to reverse their mistake. We've seen the lake in it's prime and will most likely never experience that ability to catch the quality of fish that was once an everyday occurance. Now you really have to work to catch the 7, 8, 9 lbers. And I'm afraid that the rest of the state will be at the 15 fish limit sooner that later. YES, there is NO biological info to support the current limits. But that doesn't matter.
The matter of oyster fishing on the lake should only be allowed with tongs, it's really hard to move that much reef with them.

Well said. I would also support tong only oyster fishing.

["W"]

Originally Posted by chasin'tail

W, it's just the way the world goes. Your fight for limits to be put back to where they should be is one that, can't be won without some very high ups getting on-board. And I'm afraid that they have to much vested to reverse their mistake. We've seen the lake in it's prime and will most likely never experience that ability to catch the quality of fish that was once an everyday occurance. Now you really have to work to catch the 7, 8, 9 lbers. And I'm afraid that the rest of the state will be at the 15 fish limit sooner that later. YES, there is NO biological info to support the current limits. But that doesn't matter.
The matter of oyster fishing on the lake should only be allowed with tongs, it's really hard to move that much reef with them.

I agree but I also love that we showed the fishing community what a idiotic selfish greed by small few it really was

I have proven my point and I think you could call this thread a Win on limit the reduced limits

["W"]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I think the oyster issue is more important, but when I consider the challenge for data, I have to concede that I have not seen as much data on the oyster issue in Calcasieu as I have on the trout limit issue. My convictions on the oyster issue come more from the historical decline of Galveston Bay and Chesapeake Bay fisheries after the oyster reefs were dramatically over harvested in these systems. However, there were other pollution and urban run-off factors that are not present in Calcasieu. The reason so little data is available in Calcasieu is that the issue only started to become as serious as I believe it is now in 2010. Usually it takes some time for studies to be conducted and the data to become available. So the absence of data is not evidence for the absence of a serious problem. Calcasieu might be more resilient with respect to other estuaries with regards to the decimation of its oyster reefs. I don't think so, but there is too little data at this time.

Since the trout limit change occurred in 2006, there has been more time for data to emerge, though I think the data is not really definitive. The data is rather compelling that the problem is real and raising the limit would probably improve both the overall health of the ecosystem and be likely to increase the number of larger trout by improving growth rates and body condition. However, the available data shows that there is not likely a looming disaster, only an opportunity for improvement.

The oyster issue is probably more important in the long run, and I hope folks keep their eyes open for data and bring hard facts into the discussion.

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Thank You!!!!

[BIG RED 1983]

Originally Posted by Salty

W, I love how you use the word "we" so much. If you weren't looking for support (attention)....why did you post a "pole" to find out who was in agreement with you? Jeff Poe knows alot more about the goings-on in Big Lake than you, yet, he does not have facts that 100% prove that the limit reduction was a bad thing. Nobody cares what you think because you are too wishy-washy. You do the very same thing in the Sports Bar time after time. Chicken proved that and you had no defense to state otherwise.

BTW, Will Drost must have had the evidence to get the limit reduced because he sure got it done.

No no no no salty you have it all wrong according to w drost had money. If you have not realized yet that is why w started this thread to build up his salty cash so he can have the 25 trout limit put back into law

[Salty]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

No no no no salty you have it all wrong according to w drost had money. If you have not realized yet that is why w started this thread to build up his salty cash so he can have the 25 trout limit put back into law

Will Drost has more influence on Big Lake than 10 W's.

[weedeater]

Originally Posted by "W"

I agree but I also love that we showed the fishing community what a idiotic selfish greed by small few it really was

I have proven my point and I think you could call this thread a Win on limit the reduced limits

I can start a thread that Obama needs to be kicked out of office and probably get 100% to agree but that don't mean he is gonna be kicked out just like even if everyone on here agrees that the limit needs changed.... you ain't won nothin because the limit is still the same.

[Smoke Shack BBQ]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

w thinks data is the little kid from the goonies

Fwifty dawa bill, fwifty dawa bill!

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["W"]

Originally Posted by Salty

BTW, Will Drost must have had the evidence to get the limit reduced because he sure got it done.

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[Salty]

Originally Posted by weedeater

I can start a thread that Obama needs to be kicked out of office and probably get 100% to agree but that don't mean he is gonna be kicked out just like even if everyone on here agrees that the limit needs changed.... you ain't won nothin because the limit is still the same.

As a matter of "fact"...he's managed to make himself an even bigger loser.....if that's possible.

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

....

Given what we have seen out of you W and your flip/flop on various issues you probably are not in a position to call anyone a democrat Mr. Obama sir.

Maybe he just knows how to go about getting things done and does not flip flop or call 99% of his supporters idiots like you did earlier. He might just be not only wealthier than you but smarter as well. Just a guess on my part, I could be wrong. We know he is taller.

[mcjaredsandwich]

What I find funniest about W complaining big lake is no longer a trophy lake....




When does W only go out after Big Female Trout?! I have never seen him post up pics or a report about targeting and catching one or two big girls, only how he has a deck full of 13" trout.


I think someone wants to have 50 fish instead of 30 fish so their internet penis will be bigger.


my .02

[jdm4x43732]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

What I find funniest about W complaining big lake is no longer a trophy lake....




When does W only go out after Big Female Trout?! I have never seen him post up pics or a report about targeting and catching one or two big girls, only how he has a deck full of 13" trout.


I think someone wants to have 50 fish instead of 30 fish so their internet penis will be bigger.


my .02

Now that is funny right there, I don't care who you are!

[Salty]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

What I find funniest about W complaining big lake is no longer a trophy lake....




When does W only go out after Big Female Trout?! I have never seen him post up pics or a report about targeting and catching one or two big girls, only how he has a deck full of 13" trout.


I think someone wants to have 50 fish instead of 30 fish so their internet penis will be bigger.


my .02

Yeah, and catch 'em before 8:00 am.

Unless W is soakin' bait in the channel in August, all the bigger fish he catches comes off them reefs with the 12-18'ers.

Keep in mind tho...he has stated that big trout are easy to catch and he can catch 'em anytime he wants.

One would think he could have managed one in any of those tourneys he's fished.

[1fastmerc]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

What I find funniest about W complaining big lake is no longer a trophy lake....




When does W only go out after Big Female Trout?! I have never seen him post up pics or a report about targeting and catching one or two big girls, only how he has a deck full of 13" trout.


I think someone wants to have 50 fish instead of 30 fish so their internet penis will be bigger.


my .02

That has to be one the funniest things I've heard all day. Lmbo


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[Wag]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Well said. I would also support tong only oyster fishing.

Me too!