Top Ten Weaknesses in Homeschooling

[Goooh]

This type of fanatical preaching is common amongst ultra religious folks. The thought of people not agreeing with them could never mean they are the ones that are wrong, the obvious answer to them is those that disagree are clearly not as smart or as enlightened. This perception further fuels their desire to educate you and "open your eyes" to their way of thinking, because obviously if you were as smart as they are then you would think the same way... And be accepted into the famed realm of academic, religious, or whatever righteousness they so covet.


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[DaPointIsDaBomb]

I think this MG fella is one of those trolls

[Matt G]

Originally Posted by Goooh

But do you know the joy of practicing academic rigor? Of going to school for 37 years straight only to die before you get to live? Of educating yourself beyond the point of being able to recognize "ordinary" folks as actual people?

I think not my friend.

Negatory ghost rider. But I did feel the embarrassment of getting a bloody nose on the playground and the excitement of getting lucky after the homecoming party. I'll take that any day over being able to regurgitate the square root of any number you throw at me.

[B-Stealth]

Originally Posted by Goooh

This type of fanatical preaching is common amongst ultra religious folks. The thought of people not agreeing with them could never mean they are the ones that are wrong, the obvious answer to them is those that disagree are clearly not as smart or as enlightened. This perception further fuels their desire to educate you and "open your eyes" to their way of thinking, because obviously if you were as smart as they are then you would think the same way... And be accepted into the famed realm of academic, religious, or whatever righteousness they so covet.


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I agree 100%, MG has either dropped off the deep end, or just now showing his true colors.
I thought MG was a highly educated down to earth guy and I respected him.
Hell I even built and donated materials for him and his kids to build the "Mullet Launcher" because I though that was a really cool project for his kids.

I don't feel like he's the same guy anymore and that's too bad.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Goooh

Touts homeschooling advantage of not vaccinating, but eats scaleless bottom feeding fish from the outflow of America's taint.


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You might read that more carefully. This was listed as a disadvantage. Reading comprehension is touted as an advantage.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Matt G

Roll call.... Who here attended a public school and considers themself successful? My hand is up.

I attended TH Watins in Lake Charles, Grace King in Metairie, and LSU-BR.

I would be much more favorable toward public schools if they were still as safe, drug free, and porn free and if they had comparable academic rigor as when I attended.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Goooh

Touts homeschooling advantage of reducing tax burden, household income comes from teaching at public universities and tax funded research projects.

It's been a few years since anyone in our household taught in a public university. Further, all our research projects over the past few years are privately funded. In 2015, 100% of our income was from private consulting. I did consult on one murder case in the NE in 2016, so there was a small check from a state government up there, but this year well over 90% of our income will be from private consulting. We do not actively solicit government research grants - too many rules, too much paperwork, and too slow to pay.

You might try harder to get your facts right.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

My point is, just because a few famous people were home schooled doesn't mean anything. Each person makes that choice for a different reason. They didn't become famous or successful solely because they were home schooled. That is purely anecdotal evidence for why home schooling is successful, but there is no way to prove that they became who they were because of home schooling.

I wasn't claiming that home schooling was a cause of success, only that the lack of socialization in a home schooling environment did not hinder success. A small number of counter examples is adequate to disprove the often heard claim that home schoolers will be hampered by their lack of socialization.

Home school students can have plenty of socialization opportunities without spending 30-40 hours per week in a public school.

[Goooh]

I didn't read all of your posts, had fun trolling you though.

If I'm going to read something that long it's going to be a soft cover. I was homeschooled BTW


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[Matt G]

Snapped this picture on the way to work this morning. They obviously weren't home schooled.

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[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I wasn't claiming that home schooling was a cause of success, only that the lack of socialization in a home schooling environment did not hinder success. A small number of counter examples is adequate to disprove the often heard claim that home schoolers will be hampered by their lack of socialization.

Home school students can have plenty of socialization opportunities without spending 30-40 hours per week in a public school.

So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

I'm not saying your point about those people is wrong, but find some examples from our current society other than Tebow. The Roosevelts and those others you listed all come from a different society, a different time in our country.

For what it is worth, my wife and I have this very discussion all the time as it pertains to our future children. We have made no decision yet, but given that both of us attended public school and were home schooled, and I attended private school as well, we are considering all options.

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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

Yes, of course. If you note, the article in the link notes the socialization issue as a disadvantage of home schooling. I am not trying to claim it does not exist, only that it can be overcome by intentional efforts by the parents.

Our home schooled teens average 10-20 hours per week interacting with peers in various social settings including athletics, extracurriculars, college classes, youth groups, etc.

I do feel the home schooling approach were the parents are the primary instructors for 100% of the coursework and the children do not get out of the house much are suboptimal in many ways. Whether or not home schooling achieves its goals is up to the parents.

Parents who feel that their children really need 30-40 hours per week of peer interaction should probably choose a brick and mortar private or public school option, as it would probably be prohibitively difficult for home schooling parents to provide that.

[jpd0144]

Originally Posted by jpd0144

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I'll try and insert it again here ...

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by jpd0144

I'll try and insert it again here ...

I'm not really trying to convince anyone, just putting information and viewpoints out there for discussion.

Back in the 1990s I had a fairly negative view of home schooling, similar to the negative views expressed by many here.

My view began to change in 2002 when I took my first faculty job and saw the difference first hand between college students prepared by the public schools and college students prepared by home schooling. My view matured through a series of faculty jobs and family experiences in the public schools which made me painfully aware of how bad public education had really become since I was a student in the 1980s. Some of my faculty experiences are described here:

https://biblicaltheologyofscience.wo...y-of-academia/

Just as I was unconvinced by homeschooling proponents in the 1990s, but later became convinced by things my family experienced first hand, I expect many readers won't be convinced until they begin to see the failures of the present educational system first hand. But when you do, you will have a better context and understand your options better having heard the experiences and viewpoints of a home school proponent.

[seachaser250]

Originally Posted by jpd0144

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again.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I'm not really trying to convince anyone, just putting information and viewpoints out there for discussion.



Back in the 1990s I had a fairly negative view of home schooling, similar to the negative views expressed by many here.



My view began to change in 2002 when I took my first faculty job and saw the difference first hand between college students prepared by the public schools and college students prepared by home schooling. My view matured through a series of faculty jobs and family experiences in the public schools which made me painfully aware of how bad public education had really become since I was a student in the 1980s. Some of my faculty experiences are described here:



https://biblicaltheologyofscience.wo...y-of-academia/



Just as I was unconvinced by homeschooling proponents in the 1990s, but later became convinced by things my family experienced first hand, I expect many readers won't be convinced until they begin to see the failures of the present educational system first hand. But when you do, you will have a better context and understand your options better having heard the experiences and viewpoints of a home school proponent.

Perfect, only when people who disagree are enlightened will they agree and obtain full self righteousness.

We now know that once we are as smart as you we will be accepted and on the right path, anointed one...

[jpd0144]

MG... Do you not realize with all your wisdom that you will wake up and still put on your pants in the morning the same way the rest of us do ?

Flexing your brain cells is not goint to make everyone see it your way. We all have different opinions and views that are just as rooted as yours. It makes each one of use who we are. You can't possibly believe you can repeatedly pound your opinion into people and turn them into a model of you.

It's ok if opinions vary.

[CajunSteelsetter]

Originally Posted by Smalls

So even if someone could point out countless more examples of home schooled students with inadequate social skills, that does not matter?

I went to college with a kid that was home schooled. Some called him "Captain Awkward" because the kid had no social skills. I know a whole family that has been home schooled; nice kids, but some of them lack the ability to function in social settings.

I'm not saying your point about those people is wrong, but find some examples from our current society other than Tebow. The Roosevelts and those others you listed all come from a different society, a different time in our country.

For what it is worth, my wife and I have this very discussion all the time as it pertains to our future children. We have made no decision yet, but given that both of us attended public school and were home schooled, and I attended private school as well, we are considering all options.

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"Captain awkward"? Pray do tell who we speak of? I know you're not referring to me...I know too much haha.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by CajunSteelsetter

"Captain awkward"? Pray do tell who we speak of? I know you're not referring to me...I know too much haha.

Lmao, not you idiot. Someone else. You were home schooled?

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[CajunSteelsetter]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Lmao, not you idiot. Someone else. You were home schooled?

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I was indeed. See, I can play socialized when I need to. Actually another person we went to school with was very similar. We both went to college, both got science degrees and now work in the realm of environmental consulting, and both are non-commissioned officers in the military. And somehow, we managed to do it despite being homeschooled. Shocking.