Trophy Trout SeminAR

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by redaddiction

LMAO!! Best point made on this topic bar none!! Some seem to pick and choose which species are worthy of their release.

Agree

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

What say u give it whirl? I'm doin an informal survey of all outdoorsman. At what point do you stop caring about genetics? For some it's deer only. Others let the small squirrels walk. Some only shoot 20lb geese. Some throw back all big fish, well unless der offshore then they keep all the biggest snapper. I know weird huh? Some put the big shrimp back to keep the genetics of da big shrimp. So, where do you folks draw the line? Crab? Oyster? Do you put the big bass back and take home all the big sac-a-lait?

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Very good points about everyone keeping the biggest snapper and sacaulait

Those fish should be released like those big bass because them superior genetics!

That's what the bass folk say

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Very good points about everyone keeping the biggest snapper and sacaulait

Those fish should be released like those big bass because them superior genetics!

That's what the bass folk say

LMAO

For sure ... Those bass guys are real sensitive!!

Think you should never keep your limit and let everything over 5lbs go lol

[wishin i was fishin]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

What say u give it whirl? I'm doin an informal survey of all outdoorsman. At what point do you stop caring about genetics? For some it's deer only. Others let the small squirrels walk. Some only shoot 20lb geese. Some throw back all big fish, well unless der offshore then they keep all the biggest snapper. I know weird huh? Some put the big shrimp back to keep the genetics of da big shrimp. So, where do you folks draw the line? Crab? Oyster? Do you put the big bass back and take home all the big sac-a-lait?

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Ok, here we go,

Your first post is questioning the intelligence of the 25"+ fish. It reads as that despite age, size, all trout are of equal intelligence. I do not agree with that statement which warranted my comment. Crab and shrimp intelligence, well, dont care.

Second post starts with genetics, I happen to agree with, genetics is an important factor, but it is not the only factor contributing to the size and age of fish. Regardless of limits there will always be strong opinions in keeping the larger specimens.

Now switching to limits to stay somewhat on topic.

Big lake limits were changed for political reasons, Snapper limits were change due to incorrect data.

I would be really interested in participating and seeing the data you collect. So once you collect this information, what do you plan to do with it?

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

LMAO

For sure ... Those bass guys are real sensitive!!

Think you should never keep your limit and let everything over 5lbs go lol

They will catch them off a bed, ride them around the lake in a livewell all day, hold them through their gills and take some hero shots of all of them together then let them go back at the boat ramp 5 miles from where they caught them

[wishin i was fishin]

Originally Posted by ahlangle

Does anyone know if there's anything else like this (seminars, etc) coming up in LAF area, or how to find out about em? (Could always use some help on how to catch these boogers)

Doubt you will see anything in the Laf area. This was the first time I have ever seen anything like this. It sounded like it was a unique occurrence from the pack and paddle host.

[Top Dawg]

I wonder if the biologists take into account the bigger fishes intelligence when they make the limits. If they so smart they should be unlimited lol

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin

Ok, here we go,

Your first post is questioning the intelligence of the 25"+ fish. It reads as that despite age, size, all trout are of equal intelligence. I do not agree with that statement which warranted my comment. Crab and shrimp intelligence, well, dont care.

Second post starts with genetics, I happen to agree with, genetics is an important factor, but it is not the only factor contributing to the size and age of fish. Regardless of limits there will always be strong opinions in keeping the larger specimens.

Now switching to limits to stay somewhat on topic.

Big lake limits were changed for political reasons, Snapper limits were change due to incorrect data.

I would be really interested in participating and seeing the data you collect. So once you collect this information, what do you plan to do with it?

If a fish is intelligent then so is shrimp, crabs, and oysters. U see all of those throw a million eggs into the ecosystem and say good luck and peace out. Creatures with "intelligence" have one or two offspring. They actually raise them and teach them to survive. Dumb things, things with no intelligence, survive by flooding the atmosphere with offspring and hope a couple live. Things like FISH.!!!!

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[wishin i was fishin]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

If a fish is intelligent then so is shrimp, crabs, and oysters. U see all of those throw a million eggs into the ecosystem and say good luck and peace out. Creatures with "intelligence" have one or two offspring. They actually raise them and teach them to survive. Dumb things, things with no intelligence, survive by flooding the atmosphere with offspring and hope a couple live. Things like FISH.!!!!

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Lets keep the discussion on the topic of large trout and table the shrimp, crab, and oysters for another discussion.

So by your logic behavioral patterns of 25"+ trout are the same as juvenile trout because they are dumb fish. Correct?

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin

So by your logic behavioral patterns of 25"+ trout are the same as juvenile trout because they are dumb fish. Correct?

Well we were discussing intelligence. So you wanna switch to behavioral patterns? Obviously 25+" trout will not exhibit the same behavior as a juvenile trout. Whoever's logic that is is severely flawed but it is certainly not mine. Which topic are we going with? Intelligence or behavior? Because the behavior of all creatures changes over time. That does not negate the fact that they are dumb.

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[wishin i was fishin]

Ok, What drives behavior and the change?

When I reference intelligence, I am speaking of positively reacting to the environment in which they live, not driving a car. I want to make sure you are clear on that point.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin

Ok, What drives behavior and the change?

When I reference intelligence, I am speaking of positively reacting to the environment in which they live, not driving a car. I want to make sure you are clear on that point.

Ok I understand if that's your point but that is not intelligence, that is adaptation. The simplest creatures that exist today have adapted to their environment. The ones that haven't are gone.

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[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin

Ok, What drives behavior and the change?

When I reference intelligence, I am speaking of positively reacting to the environment in which they live, not driving a car. I want to make sure you are clear on that point.

I think that's instinct and adaptation not intelligence.

["W"]

It's hard for me to buy Into that speckle trout genes and genetic BS
Fact is one 10inch female can lay millions of eggs a year and it's all comes down to luck who survived
100xs more predators than freshwater
A trout is lucky to live 3 years old
So a 10lb trout is like a lottery ticket.. It was just lucky to survive all the elements and make it .
The rest is the estuary it lives in to make it big.

[redaddiction]

Originally Posted by "W"

It's hard for me to buy Into that speckle trout genes and genetic BS
Fact is one 10inch female can lay millions of eggs a year and it's all comes down to luck who survived
100xs more predators than freshwater
A trout is lucky to live 3 years old
So a 10lb trout is like a lottery ticket.. It was just lucky to survive all the elements and make it .
The rest is the estuary it lives in to make it big.

X100

[wishin i was fishin]

Cool, so lets call it instinct and adaptation, not intelligence.

I was feeling we were starting to split hairs over definitions here.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by "W"

It's hard for me to buy Into that speckle trout genes and genetic BS

Fact is one 10inch female can lay millions of eggs a year and it's all comes down to luck who survived

100xs more predators than freshwater

A trout is lucky to live 3 years old

So a 10lb trout is like a lottery ticket.. It was just lucky to survive all the elements and make it .

The rest is the estuary it lives in to make it big.

I agree. And that trout has spawned multiple times a year for 5+ years even if genetics were a factor

["W"]

There has never ( to my knowledge) been any research or study to prove genes or genetics on trout.

Trout adapt to there surrounding and estuary.
That is what makes a trout big or small .

When I fished Lake P all the trout we caught were short and fat like a football ..

Grand Isle all small biggest was 15inchs

Killing a 5lb trout does not hurt the trout population one bit ( it hurts the guys who like to fish for big trout feelings )

A 10inch trout will spawn 8 times a year vs a 5lb trout who might only spawn 2 times a year and the bigger they are the less they spawn .

That sack of eggs off a 10lb Trout vs a 1 lb trout is one has more eggs at spawn than the other ...
Your not going to get any more big trout out of a 10lb spawn vs 1lb spawn
It's just stupid to think you will ...

[BienveWho]

Originally Posted by wishin i was fishin

Doubt you will see anything in the Laf area. This was the first time I have ever seen anything like this. It sounded like it was a unique occurrence from the pack and paddle host.

Pack & Paddle has various seminars, meeting, events, and trips on a variety of topics ranging from Trophy Trout Fishing, Thru Hiking the Appalachian Trail, Sight Fishing Seminar, Tournament Secrets of a Kayak Fisherman, Film Festivals etc...

Go to the P&P website to see a live list of all the events and trips offered.
You can also join the email list and receive the one monthly email that updates you on all the upcoming events and seminars at the shop.

Almost all of those events and seminars are free to the public also!

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by "W"

There has never ( to my knowledge) been any research or study to prove genes or genetics on trout.

Trout adapt to there surrounding and estuary.
That is what makes a trout big or small .

When I fished Lake P all the trout we caught were short and fat like a football ..

Grand Isle all small biggest was 15inchs

Killing a 5lb trout does not hurt the trout population one bit ( it hurts the guys who like to fish for big trout feelings )

A 10inch trout will spawn 8 times a year vs a 5lb trout who might only spawn 2 times a year and the bigger they are the less they spawn .

That sack of eggs off a 10lb Trout vs a 1 lb trout is one has more eggs at spawn than the other ...
Your not going to get any more big trout out of a 10lb spawn vs 1lb spawn
It's just stupid to think you will ...

Why is this so hard to grasp?

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