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calcutta37 · #1 03-11-2011, 09:32 PM

Anybody gonna fish this upcoTrue: Some astrologers and even astronomers are using the term "supermoon" to describe the March 19, 2011 full moon. What makes it super is that--on the day of the March 2011 full moon--the moon will also be closest to Earth for the month. The March 19 full moon will be 221,567 miles from Earth, in contrast to the moon’s average distance of about 239,000 miles. No full moon will be this close to Earth again until November 14, 2016.

The moon is full every month, and there is a connection between full moon and earthly tides. At full moon, the sun, Earth, and moon lie more or less along a line in space. At these times, the gravity of the sun and moon are reinforcing each other. That’s why, every month around the time of full moon, people along the coast experience maximum high (and low) tides known as spring tides. Actually, there are two spring tides each month, one at full moon and the other at new moon, as shown in the illustration below.

What does this mean for the March 11 moon? Not a thing. On March 11, 2011, the moon is not particularly close to Earth, nor is it aligned with the Earth and sun.

As the moon orbits Earth, its gravity works with or against that of the sun to create the month's highest and lowest tides, called spring and neap tides. Because water has a momentum of its own, the actual spring and neap tides lag a day or so behind the moon phases. (Wikimedia Commons)

A word about the tides

Halfway between each new and full moon – at the first and last quarter moon phase – the sun and moon are at right angles as seen from Earth. Then the sun’s gravity is working against the gravity of the moon, as the moon pulls on the sea. This is the neap tide: the tide’s range is at its minimum.

There is about a seven-day interval between spring tides and neap tides.

Supermoons and disasters

The March 19, 2011 full moon is a close one. That’s absolutely true. A close full or new moon does connect-- regularly, frequently, cyclically--with greatest tidal maximums and minimums known as spring tides. That is also true.

However, the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan occurred when the moon was near first quarter, and not particularly close to Earth. March 11, 2011 should be a time of neap tides--or least tidal range--not at a time of high spring tides. The March 11 moon is not an example of a supermoon.

The takeaway

I first heard about a possible connection between a supermoon and earthly disasters from a website called Psychic Connection. It predicted “severe weather patterns, increased seismic activity, tsunamis and more volcanic eruptions than normal.”

In my 40 years of writing about the sky, I’ve never heard of a connection between full moons and severe weather. Can’t comment on that one.

There are mentions in the scientific literature of a possible connection between full moons and geologic activity. The moon does indeed cause tides in the solid body of Earth, just as it causes ocean tides. So it’s logical to assume an especially close full moon might cause geologic activity to increase, and occasionally I’ve seen random (dare I say “fringe?”) studies suggesting this connection. In reality, is the connection between the moon and geologic activity a strong one? I’ve never seen a study showing a striking pattern between close full moons and increased geologic activity.

Will the March 19, 2011 full moon--which coincides with the moon’s closest point to Earth--bring more earthquakes and tsunamis? Will it cause volcanic eruptions? Let me ask another question first. Why, I wonder, do people want to believe in unfounded predictions for disasters?

The moon’s distance from Earth is changing continually. The full moon on March 19 will be a close one, but there’s no scientific evidence it will cause any of those events. The March 11 moon does not prove the supermoon-earthquake theory. In fact, it disproves it. Plus we know of closer full moons than the March 19 moon that did no harm.

Will the March 19, 2011 close full moon cause floods? Yes, that’s different. Now we’re on more solid ground. Close full moons do cause maximum tidal ranges. So if a storm moves into a coastline on the day a full moon is closest, it can cause flooding along that coast. If you live along a coast, and a storm is heading your way on or around March 19...expect possible flooding and take precautions.

I don’t believe science knows everything. Clearly, it doesn’t. But we live in a complicated world, a world that features gobs of misinformation flying willy-nilly on the Interwebs, terrifying people at every turn. So – I believe – it’s important to separate fact from fiction. The March 19, 2011 supermoon is interesting, but it’s no reason to think that more earthly disasters are looming on the near horizon. Better to focus instead on what’s really important now--looking to the reality of the March 11, 2011 8.9-magnitude earthquake in Japan and subsequent tsunami in the Pacific--and responding with our hopes, prayers and support.
ming supermoon?

calcutta37 · #2 03-11-2011, 09:37 PM

im thinking about those flounder coming in next weekend

Garfish · #3 03-11-2011, 09:47 PM

Tides should be right for fishin next week. Oughta be some water pushin in and out of the estuaries. Fish will be movin and feedin too. Gettin to be that time of year when it all turns on.

"W" · #4 03-11-2011, 10:22 PM

Man that is way too much thinking involed in that............ I just fish till they bite

The fullmoon is always your stongest tide and is always strong in the spring and summer months...... You will see 3ft tide on big lake next week

LPfishnTIM · #5 03-12-2011, 08:23 AM

I just fish regardless of conditions, moonphase tide

fishinpox · #6 03-12-2011, 08:46 AM

Whatever the hell it is this "supermoon" has got the tides in p train all screwed up ..... Non existent

PUREBAY2200 · #7 03-12-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fishinpox

Whatever the hell it is this "supermoon" has got the tides in p train all screwed up ..... Non existent

X2!!!
Yesterday It was supposed to fall till 730 then then by 8 begin rising...... Well it fell hard till 930... Then went dead!!!
Here is the weird thing.... Actualy 2.
1. At 630 when we got to trestle the tide was falling ans water was dirty, really dirty. 1 ft of clarity @ best. Tide was falling but wind was blowing from east @5-6 mph. (Dirty water & falling tide.) we left bridge @ 930 to go redfish. Did that til 10 or so- caught 12 nice reds. when we returned to bridge around 10:15 water was dead still, no wind, no tide ; just stagnit. But water was green and clarity was about 4 ft.
No new water came in, I know that bc of the water level marker on bridge. How does water change so fast with no new water??
2. We saw and chased down a real rogue wave.
I am totally honest, if I'm lying may I never catch a fish again.
We were in east side if trestle, saw a white ripple out in lake comin from the west .... It was about 1 mile or so from us. Kinda high but didn't pay attention to it. Few seconds later we hear a crash thru the pylons, it was the wave. But it didn't stop, it formed bk up and kept moving toward hwy 11 bridge. It was about 3 ft tall, 100 yrds wide and moving at 15 mph. We know this bc we followed it for a while until it hit the east shore of lake p.
It was moving against tide, against wind, & had no apparent genesis.
Truely a freaky occurrence.
2.

Duck Butter · #8 03-12-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200

2. We saw and chased down a real rogue wave.
I am totally honest, if I'm lying may I never catch a fish again.
We were in east side if trestle, saw a white ripple out in lake comin from the west .... It was about 1 mile or so from us. Kinda high but didn't pay attention to it. Few seconds later we hear a crash thru the pylons, it was the wave. But it didn't stop, it formed bk up and kept moving toward hwy 11 bridge. It was about 3 ft tall, 100 yrds wide and moving at 15 mph. We know this bc we followed it for a while until it hit the east shore of lake p.
It was moving against tide, against wind, & had no apparent genesis.
Truely a freaky occurrence.
2.

That was a school of trout!

PUREBAY2200 · #9 03-12-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter

That was a school of trout!

I wish!! I hoped it was bull reds at first.... But when it crashed thru the trestles ans reformed..... I knew it wasnt no fish

Duck Butter · #10 03-12-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200

I wish!! I hoped it was bull reds at first.... But when it crashed thru the trestles ans reformed..... I knew it wasnt no fish

I bet that was kinda weird to see that.

Coulda been 'W' potlicking in a submarine though. Hearing all those reports from Capt Dumas around the bridge, had to see how he was doing it

PUREBAY2200 · #11 03-12-2011, 11:17 AM

Lol...... Sponge bob & W !!!!

"W" · #12 03-12-2011, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200

X2!!!
Yesterday It was supposed to fall till 730 then then by 8 begin rising...... Well it fell hard till 930... Then went dead!!!
Here is the weird thing.... Actualy 2.
1. At 630 when we got to trestle the tide was falling ans water was dirty, really dirty. 1 ft of clarity @ best. Tide was falling but wind was blowing from east @5-6 mph. (Dirty water & falling tide.) we left bridge @ 930 to go redfish. Did that til 10 or so- caught 12 nice reds. when we returned to bridge around 10:15 water was dead still, no wind, no tide ; just stagnit. But water was green and clarity was about 4 ft.
No new water came in, I know that bc of the water level marker on bridge. How does water change so fast with no new water??
2. We saw and chased down a real rogue wave.
I am totally honest, if I'm lying may I never catch a fish again.
We were in east side if trestle, saw a white ripple out in lake comin from the west .... It was about 1 mile or so from us. Kinda high but didn't pay attention to it. Few seconds later we hear a crash thru the pylons, it was the wave. But it didn't stop, it formed bk up and kept moving toward hwy 11 bridge. It was about 3 ft tall, 100 yrds wide and moving at 15 mph. We know this bc we followed it for a while until it hit the east shore of lake p.
It was moving against tide, against wind, & had no apparent genesis.
Truely a freaky occurrence.
2.