Not that big of a deal... But

[CajunSaint]

What do my S/C brothers think?

My 11yr old told me he was padded down today. ( on school property) by an officer. The bus driver lost her/his cell and found it on the floor after the pat down. I thought an officer had to get permission from a parent for any search an seizure?

My ? Is do they have the right without a parents permission?

My son was completely innocent as well as the other children on the bus what right does a bus driver have to accuse 15 or 20 kids?? Her/his phone was found on the floor...
Excuse the punctuation I'm doing this on my phone.

[southern151]

If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to worry about by getting patted down. It's a new world and not all kids are taught like I suspect many SC kids are.

Maybe, seeing this will help keep some of the other kids honest since, they may not learn it at home.

Just my opinion.

[Bluechip]

Good experience for him...it will help him continue to be honest.

["W"]

Yep....I agree..If nothing is wrong.....No big Deal...

[huntin fool]

The rule at ours is they can pat you down if they think something is up, but if you are a male student, male teacher pats you down.. females get females. For obvious reasons

I wouldn't worry about it if he wasn't guilty

[evis102]

Call a lawyer Do you want your kids to grow-up in a state of fear or freedom. Read him our Constitution and Bill of Rights. That will be a good experience for him

["W"]

Originally Posted by evis102

Call a lawyer Do you want your kids to grow-up in a state of fear or freedom. Read him our Constitution and Bill of Rights. That will be a good experience for him

Just what a Union Worker would say

[Dink]

Originally Posted by "W"

Just what a Union Worker would say

Oh yeah!! Here we go!!! Union no!!

[simplepeddler]

Bull ****..........no way I would stand for a kid that age getting patted down.
I am as conservative as it gets and my boys know their *** would be mine if they stole something.
11 is too damn young in my opinion.
now 15 and it' on like donkey gong.
There is no way and 11 year old in my opinion can comprehend what the real deal is.
Of course, I am not burdened with all the facts.

My 11 year old step son, now 21 was hand cuffed and hauled to jail because a little cheerleader claimed he had a gun.........needless to say, she had a crush on him and it was all a crock.

But from that day until he finished he had a "rap" in this school system.

I can tell you from direct experience, this kind of bull**** does not bode well on a young man.

[LPfishnTIM]

your kids rights were violated, because it was a POLICE officer that did the pat down, the officer will have to argue that he had probable cause and not a suspicion to do the search, did anyone see someone take the phone? how the heck is a 11 year old suppose to legally defend themselves, a Parent needs to be present during a search. Now if a school official did a search on school property it would be a different story!

[T-Bone]

My first thought would be,"what the hell are you doing putting your hands on my child", but the others have a valid point and I second that motion. Our thoughts and emotions are affected by what we experienced as children or young adults. With times a changing and there being more politically correct definitions of what our children should be allowed to wear, say, learn, etc. I am very concerned about our children, and if this new society dictates that my child be "frisked", then I as a parent suggest it be mandatory that all searches be video taped for the safety of the students as well as the "patter"!

[LaAngler]

The 4th amendment stuff gets more complicated when it comes to juveniles in a coercive atmosphere like schools when it comes to consent/searches. It's called the "In loco parentis doctrine" where basically the parent is agreeing to trust the school with the power it needs to keep the kids safe.

Google...New Jersey vs TLO. Searches must be reasonable and justified, basically the 4th amendment still applies to students but not in it's full capacity. There needs to be a reasonable suspicion that your child had violated the law. In this case I'd say that wasn't true but there's 3 sides to every story (his, theirs, & the truth). These looser standards are supposed to apply to school officials and NOT law enforcement officers. LEOs should follow their normal procedure, that shouldn't change just because they're on a school campus.

To pursue anything legally would be more trouble than it's worth, but the boundaries are there for good reason. I wonder if the people that cheer for the school to have absolute power would feel when their kid got strip searched because of xyz.

[huntin fool]

If it was on the bus they should have had it on video. I know in calcasieu parish all buses have video cameras

[evis102]

It starts with the kids then one day were all sitting around saying "Gee remember when the police needed a reason to search anyone". There is a war going on against our civil rights and the more you give the more the Government will take. Just look at the Patriot act, it only took 10 years for that to go away.

[evis102]

Originally Posted by huntin fool

If it was on the bus they should have had it on video. I know in calcasieu parish all buses have video cameras

Big Brother is watching!!!

[Andy C]

Originally Posted by LaAngler

The 4th amendment stuff gets more complicated when it comes to juveniles in a coercive atmosphere like schools when it comes to consent/searches. It's called the "In loco parentis doctrine" where basically the parent is agreeing to trust the school with the power it needs to keep the kids safe.

Google...New Jersey vs TLO. Searches must be reasonable and justified, basically the 4th amendment still applies to students but not in it's full capacity. There needs to be a reasonable suspicion that your child had violated the law. In this case I'd say that wasn't true but there's 3 sides to every story (his, theirs, & the truth). These looser standards are supposed to apply to school officials and NOT law enforcement officers. LEOs should follow their normal procedure, that shouldn't change just because they're on a school campus.

To pursue anything legally would be more trouble than it's worth, but the boundaries are there for good reason. I wonder if the people that cheer for the school to have absolute power would feel when their kid got strip searched because of xyz.

Well said!!! Its not right but not worth the fight
man,woman,child. We are all have rights.
But we are all losing more of them everyday
Just my 2 cents.

[PaulMyers]

I just can't figure out why all the kids were searched before anybody searched the bus for the phone. If anything, the LEO and bus driver should have searched the bus first. That's just stupid!!!!!

Blame the kids for your own stupidness! Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore.

EVO

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by Andy C

Well said!!! Its not right but not worth the fight
man,woman,child. We are all have rights.
But we are all losing more of them everyday
Just my 2 cents.

But this is exactly why we are losing our rights. If we don't make a stand, who will? Not our government, that's for sure!


EVO

[southern151]

Big brother is watching because idiot trial lawyers reward a woman for spilling coffee on herself. Because parents can sue schools for their kids acting like idiots. Parents have passed the buck and now, morals have gone away or, are not allowed. Common sense, like religion, have been escorted from the building.

Had a certain child been singled out without probable cause, I'd be alarmed. This was a non-discriminatory inspection. Again, your good kid is heavily outweighed by those whose parents support thieving either by words or actions.

If this was one of my two kids, I wouldn't have much to say except, stay honest and you'll never have to worry.

I'd likely call the bus driver a dummy but, I wouldn't be calling the aclu.

[fishinpox]

If I was riding a bus and the driver lost their phone n tried to pat me down I'd not let them. I would not stand for that with my kid .