Weirs Closed

["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Good news W. I talked to my buddy with LDWF. Biologists for LDWF don't work behind the weirs. He said that is fed territory. So did you talk to Agents? Not saying an agent wouldn't know what he's talking about, but I have known agents that had no biology background except fish or wildlife identification. Nothing wrong with that, they don't need anymore than that in most cases.

I understand your point about data, Capt. B, but there is decades of data on vegetation and salinity characteristics as they relate to the Cameron-Creole. There has also been research conducted on the effect of the weirs on ingress and egress of organisms. I have a few of those reports sitting in my office. You can also find them online.

So there is not a lack of data. Quite the contrary, there is an abundance of data. I have seen one report, can't remember if it is one I have laying around or its on the internet, but it clearly shows salinities dropped after installation of the weirs, which is beneficial to that marsh. I have a map somewhere that shows the vegetation communities from 1949. Most of that area was high quality Jamaican sawgrass marsh. That marsh type was a great muskrat habitat. The loss of that marsh type has a lot to do with the loss of muskrats, among other things.

I am sorry to hear that what was good duck habitat has been grown up with cattails. I hate cattails as much as I hate marsh loss. But historically, that marsh was brackish to fresh. There have been some areas to the east that have experienced a freshing over time, while areas more lakeward have experienced a slight increase in salt, and consequently, a change in marsh type.

The major issue pre-weirs was the increase in salt. As Delany (1989) pointed out, marshhay cordgrass, or wiregrass as many know it, was dying because of the constant, raised salinities. It was dying so rapidly that smooth cordgrass, or oystergrass, could not colonize. The net result was a loss of marsh, and increased open water.

At the same time, this is when shrimping and crabbing appear to have been at their height in the area, because there was an abundance of detritus. This provided an abundance of food for these organisms.

If anyone is legitimately interested in reading some of these papers, I will be glad to share them. If I can get some of the paper reports scanned in, I will be glad to share those too.

It was not me who talked to guys behind the weirs it was a guide and a local guy who lives here



But I did talk to the guys who were fish sampling

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

It was not me who talked to guys behind the weirs it was a guide and a local guy who lives here



But I did talk to the guys who were fish sampling

Ah, gotcha. I still find it hard to believe that any biologist was commenting on the cameron-creole marsh when they don't work back there. It was a biologist that told me they don't work back there.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Ah, gotcha. I still find it hard to believe that any biologist was commenting on the cameron-creole marsh when they don't work back there. It was a biologist that told me they don't work back there.

He sure knew a lot, guess it don't take rocket science like you try to make it out to

As stated above that marsh has some areas you cannot even drive your boat anymore due to overgrown runs

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by "W"

He sure knew a lot, guess it don't take rocket science like you try to make it out to

As stated above that marsh has some areas you cannot even drive your boat anymore due to overgrown runs

That's one difference between marsh and open water. Vegetation ain't always bad.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

He sure knew a lot, guess it don't take rocket science like you try to make it out to

As stated above that marsh has some areas you cannot even drive your boat anymore due to overgrown runs

Historically you couldn't drive a boat in there either, what's your point?

I don't try to make it out to be rocket science. It has nothing to do with rockets.

I'm just curious what this guy told you, or who you talked to at least. Amazes me that you can't expand upon what he told you, or give me a name. Then again, none of that helps your argument.

I find it hillarious that anyone that contradicts you is wrong, even if they are a wetland biologist, but when a FISHERIES biologist tells you something about somewhere that they don't work, you take it as gold. I'm not knocking fisheries biologists by any means, just saying they are fisheries biologists, not wetland biologists.

Would you ask a timber biologist for his opinion on the condition of a grassland? No, because that is not his expertise.

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by "W"

He sure knew a lot, guess it don't take rocket science like you try to make it out to

As stated above that marsh has some areas you cannot even drive your boat anymore due to overgrown runs

How can you say that if you didn't even talk to him. A good salesman can sell ice cubes to Eskimos. You, and others, tend to believe what y'all want to. Try listening to information and looking past the nose on your face. I don't make a living from the condition of the estuary like you and some others do. My livelihood is way more dependent on the Calcasieau Ship Channel than Calcasieau Lake. For your own good, and the good of the others that depend on the ESTUARY, I wish you would open up your mind. Listen to others who may not share the same thory as you, and learn. There are others on here that have opinions, theories, etc. that have helped educate me.

[slickfish]

Originally Posted by "W"

It was not me who talked to guys behind the weirs it was a guide and a local guy who lives here



But I did talk to the guys who were fish sampling

Oh my!! Bubble gums at his finest. This one guy told me an this other guy told me. Unbelievable

["W"]

Originally Posted by slickfish

Oh my!! Bubble gums at his finest. This one guy told me an this other guy told me. Unbelievable

O look Mr quack^^^ quack my duck who hides behind a computer screen and brags about using another man's picture as his avatar


Lmao yea NOBODY listens to you, we know how much of a coward you are you proved that

So come get some bubble gum maggot

[slickfish]

Originally Posted by "W"

O look Mr quack^^^ quack my duck who hides behind a computer screen and brags about using another man's picture as his avatar


Lmao yea NOBODY listens to you, we know how much of a coward you are you proved that

So come get some bubble gum maggot

You Bothered that your getting called out about running your bubble gums an making yourself sound like an ignorant person? Carry on bubble gum....

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

There has also been research conducted on the effect of the weirs on ingress and egress of organisms. I have a few of those reports sitting in my office. You can also find them online.

If anyone is legitimately interested in reading some of these papers, I will be glad to share them. If I can get some of the paper reports scanned in, I will be glad to share those too.

Thanks for chiming in, I knew you would explain some of these details better than I could. I'm more of a fauna kind of a guy.

I would be greatly appreciative for any reports or papers you could provide or point to regarding the ingress and egress of organisms.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Thanks for chiming in, I knew you would explain some of these details better than I could. I'm more of a fauna kind of a guy.

I would be greatly appreciative for any reports or papers you could provide or point to regarding the ingress and egress of organisms.

I'll see if I can find that one. I think its a paper report, so if I remember to scan it this week, I'll send it to you. Its definitely an older report, but a good read none the less.

[Capt.B]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Good news W. I talked to my buddy with LDWF. Biologists for LDWF don't work behind the weirs. He said that is fed territory. So did you talk to Agents? Not saying an agent wouldn't know what he's talking about, but I have known agents that had no biology background except fish or wildlife identification. Nothing wrong with that, they don't need anymore than that in most cases.

I understand your point about data, Capt. B, but there is decades of data on vegetation and salinity characteristics as they relate to the Cameron-Creole. There has also been research conducted on the effect of the weirs on ingress and egress of organisms. I have a few of those reports sitting in my office. You can also find them online.

So there is not a lack of data. Quite the contrary, there is an abundance of data. I have seen one report, can't remember if it is one I have laying around or its on the internet, but it clearly shows salinities dropped after installation of the weirs, which is beneficial to that marsh. I have a map somewhere that shows the vegetation communities from 1949. Most of that area was high quality Jamaican sawgrass marsh. That marsh type was a great muskrat habitat. The loss of that marsh type has a lot to do with the loss of muskrats, among other things.

I am sorry to hear that what was good duck habitat has been grown up with cattails. I hate cattails as much as I hate marsh loss. But historically, that marsh was brackish to fresh. There have been some areas to the east that have experienced a freshing over time, while areas more lakeward have experienced a slight increase in salt, and consequently, a change in marsh type.

The major issue pre-weirs was the increase in salt. As Delany (1989) pointed out, marshhay cordgrass, or wiregrass as many know it, was dying because of the constant, raised salinities. It was dying so rapidly that smooth cordgrass, or oystergrass, could not colonize. The net result was a loss of marsh, and increased open water.

At the same time, this is when shrimping and crabbing appear to have been at their height in the area, because there was an abundance of detritus. This provided an abundance of food for these organisms.

If anyone is legitimately interested in reading some of these papers, I will be glad to share them. If I can get some of the paper reports scanned in, I will be glad to share those too.

We have tons os muskrat mounds back there....and the lil f u c k e r s are eating my blind!!! LOL

["W"]

Big Lake problems in order and if you can find one person who spends more than 100 days out here on the water that disagrees I'll shut up
#1 ship channel Erosion
#2 Oyster Dredging
#3 Weirs closure
#4 Marshes behind weirs

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by "W"

Big Lake problems in order and if you can find one person who spends more than 100 days out here on the water that disagrees I'll shut up
#1 ship channel Erosion
#2 Oyster Dredging
#3 Weirs closure
#4 Marshes behind weirs

Are these Big Lake problems or Big Lake fisherman/guide problems?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

Are these Big Lake problems or Big Lake fisherman/guide problems?

Originally Posted by "W" View Post
Big Lake problems in order and if you can find one person who spends more than 100 days out here on the water that disagrees I'll shut up
#1 ship channel Erosion
#2 Oyster Dredging
#3 Weirs closure
#4 Marshes behind weirs

I wouldn't limit the erosion problem to the ship channel (it's much bigger than that), and I might not rank order them the same, but "W" is spot on with the four biggest problems faced by the estuary from a conservation/preservation/habitat point of view. There were a lot of pollution problems in the 70s to the 90s, but the industries have cleaned up their act.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

Are these Big Lake problems or Big Lake fisherman/guide problems?

Nope, I have spoken to 6 crabbers in last 4 weeks
2 Shrimpers from Hackberry out of spicers
2 local oyster fisherman out of spicers
50 local camp owners and lake residents
1 hunting club owner
And about 15 of us guides
And this is our biggest issues but people who sit in a office don't have a clue what's going on out here

I'm thankful I have a job I can live off of and guiding is my 2nd income
We have hundreds who make full time living off this lake and are fed up with the lack of actions by CCA AND State

Have time to adjust limits but yet ignore the problems

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by "W"

Nope, I have spoken to 6 crabbers in last 4 weeks
2 Shrimpers from Hackberry out of spicers
2 local oyster fisherman out of spicers
50 local camp owners and lake residents
1 hunting club owner
And about 15 of us guides
And this is our biggest issues but people who sit in a office don't have a clue what's going on out here

I'm thankful I have a job I can live off of and guiding is my 2nd income
We have hundreds who make full time living off this lake and are fed up with the lack of actions by CCA AND State

Have time to adjust limits but yet ignore the problems

I would have to say I finally agree with you regarding getting some of these organizations take some sort of action. However, could it be that they are gathering data and are waiting to speak until they have their facts straight?

["W"]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

I would have to say I finally agree with you regarding getting some of these organizations take some sort of action. However, could it be that they are gathering data and are waiting to speak until they have their facts straight?

Who's facts are written in stone? How long do we wait for someone to set in stone a fact

Here are 100% true Facts
#1 we have serious erosion on the ship channel last year we lost super cut islands, Island south entrance of WC, major loss lake side by Texaco cut all this can be seen with eyes

#2 over oystering, the oyster fisherman will tell you the size and the numbers are at all time low this year. They drag for hours to fill a sack

#3 cutting off marsh supply stops your echo system from working naturally. Shrimp and bait fish use these marshes for the life cycle. When you cut out a piece if any cycles you cause damage to the system.

Wild Life and Fishers will not release the SPR #s to the public.
I just found out the reasons why yesterday from a close source.

[Capt.B]

Originally Posted by "w"

big lake problems in order and if you can find one person who spends more than 100 days out here on the water that disagrees i'll shut up
#1 ship channel erosion
#2 oyster dredging
#3 weirs closure
#4 marshes behind weirs

agreed x2

[mallardhead]

Must not be manageing something right back there used to hunt back in that area with sono savoies lease in the mid and late 90s and would smash ducks every day from what I hear now it sucks back there I always hear all this crap about ducks dont like salt water marshes well im calling bs on that too. I can see closeing the weirs when tides run way above normal but not the bull crap they are pulling now.

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