what y'all make of this?

[hchol]

Originally Posted by "W"

HCHOL

Name 1just 1 thing the CCA has done to improve fishing in Big Lake as per there mission statement

I got rest of day

Keep you from keeping 25 fish a day!!

BOOM!!!!!!!

[schol]

You sure do talk a lot of trash about these "office fishermen" although they are the ones that provide your income.

[hchol]

Originally Posted by "W"

CCA did not do that either it was the GCCA which was whole different organization ran by real fisherman, not business men in suits and ties who fish 9 X's a year at best

Hey W...you'd be broke if it wasn't for those office fisherman!!!!!!

[HenryBoy]

Originally Posted by schol

You sure do talk a lot of trash about these "office fishermen" when they are the ones that provide your income.

So are Schol and Hchol brothers or boyfriends??

That is the question??

[keakar]

I think I have figured all this out:

its called the Coastal Conservation Association and not Defender of Fishermens Rights Association or Science Based Wildlife Management Association so there it is, its all in the name.

lets stop bashing CCA for inaction on our important issues because they are a Conservation based organization only and that's why they care little about fishermens rights or science based species management, they are only concerned with things that are conservation based and habitat creation.

so there you have it, they only get involved to restrict fishing and hunting rights and work to build reefs and plant things to create new habitat and that's ALL they care about.

hey, I don't see them as bad at all, they do a good job doing what they do but what they do will NEVER be the things we care about. you don't ask a carpenter to fix your car so don't ask a conservation group to do anything but work to restrict fishing rights and build habitat.

there needs to be an effort to work to enlarge and generate more support and fund raising for any organization that is about fishermens rights and science based management ONLY.

leave the grass planting and reef building to CCA because that's what they do and they do it well.

[bjqx]

Originally Posted by schol

Pulled the gill nets out of the water, that's a tough one "W"

Game changer on Sabine after nets where gone.

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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by hchol

Hey W...you'd be broke if it wasn't for those office fisherman!!!!!!

No one doubts that GCCA contributed to the gill net ban and reducing commercial pressure on redfish in the 80s and 90s. In 1997 there were some changes to the organization, and it emerged as CCA.

After that time, CCA has taken a number of odd positions for a group purportedly committed to scientific management positions. Most of their work in LA has been focused in increasing restrictive regulations, raising fees, and bringing boatloads of cash back to TX for expensive restoration projects:

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Funds-2013.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/wp-content/u...Scientists.pdf

http://www.ccatexas.org/conservation/research/

I think W would still be a successful guide had CCA never existed. Eventually redfish would have been protected and gillnets would have been banned. Redfish and speck populations are extremely resilient, especially in Louisiana, and the populations would have bounced back by the time W became a guide.

Unlike resilient redfish and speck populations, habitat does not bounce back. Once it's gone, restoration is painstakingly expensive and slow.

["W"]

Originally Posted by hchol

Keep you from keeping 25 fish a day!!

BOOM!!!!!!!

And how did that improve our fishing?

BOOM

Try again Troll

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

There certainly is a good chance it could work out this way. I'm optimistic that fairly good fisheries can be preserved over the next 100 years as the marshes turn into open lakes and bays by:

1. Minimizing future loss of marshes and preserving marsh that used to be more brackish or even freshwater swamp.
2. Restoring, establishing, and preserving oyster reefs in the bays to provide valuable ecosystem services.
3. Managing salinity in the lakes and bays by controlling salinity flowing in from the Gulf and freshwater flows from rivers and freshwater swamps.

The big picture is to be more intentional about what levels of salinity are maintained in which regions. The "saltwater" line may end up further north than it is now and there may be some trade-offs between crawfish/bass/crappie habitat and crab/redfish/speck habitat.

We can't afford anymore conversion to open water. Why do you think the Cameron-Creole and the weirs are such a point of contention? They didn't put those there for ducks or for fish. They put those there for the Marsh. If we lose too much more Marsh in Cameron parish, it will compromise all the infrastructure to the North. All that Marsh is important flood control. Without it, a major hurricane like Rita or Katrina would be devastating.

I hope they don't move the saltwater line further north. We've already lost many acres of valuable fresh water habitat.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by lil bubba

It was said by mr. horst years ago that as our marsh begins to erode we will have a fish bonanza , then you will see it decline within a few years because it won't be able to support itself no more. Looks to me he knew what he was talking about. I think if all this fuss was put into fighting coastal erosion we may buy a few more years for what we have. You can increase or decrease limits all you want but at the rate we are losing marsh your kids or grandkids aren't going to have nothing anyway. rite or wrong just my opinion.......

I have been saying this for months on here, but no one believes it.

[schol]

MG I was talking about his clientele, not CCA.

[noodle creek]

I still don't understand how triple tail limits and reducing trout limits take precedent over the oyster issue, ship channel, and weir situation. You would think these issues would be of most importance.

[lil bubba]

Gill nets weren't the problem with the redfish. Maybe in big lake , i don't have a clue what goes on there but back in the day you had wdsu news shooting film in the gulf on the florida purse seiners raping massive schools of bull reds in the gulf and when the boats were full the thousands of pounds were left for the sharks and crabs.
WLF stated they were properly licensed to do it that it was up to the legislature and they claimed until a bill was passed to stop it they could not do anything, sound familiar . and remember it is not just commercial and recreational,,,,its commercial , recreational , and outlaw. So now gill nets are gone. How many fish are the i don't know how many guides are bringing in now. Go to lasp and see year round the fish splattered on the docks. In my opinion if you are a guide with a paying customer on board you are a commercial operation. you are a commercial fisherman and should not be allowed to keep any fish. I did say this was just my opinion......As far as oysters, lets exclude big lake , there are more oyster beds in the marsh because of the oyster fisherman. And no i am not a member of cca and never will be...










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["W"]

Originally Posted by schol

MG I was talking about his clientele, not CCA.

I think the more haters I get the more trips I book and that is real facts

Every trip I book from here makes the best conversation all day
Haters going to hate

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

We can't afford anymore conversion to open water. Why do you think the Cameron-Creole and the weirs are such a point of contention? They didn't put those there for ducks or for fish. They put those there for the Marsh. If we lose too much more Marsh in Cameron parish, it will compromise all the infrastructure to the North. All that Marsh is important flood control. Without it, a major hurricane like Rita or Katrina would be devastating.

I hope they don't move the saltwater line further north. We've already lost many acres of valuable fresh water habitat.

I agree, and I did not mean to advocate allowing further losses. I was more hoping to point out that I don't think we've passed a point of no return, as one of the posts had suggested.

Protecting against storm surge is undoubtedly an essential reason to protect the marsh. But the general public has short memories, and you have to sell expensive ideas based on more than events that occurred 9 years ago.

There are a bunch of stakeholders whose focus varies among many short and long term interests. The more interests an expensive plan meets and the fewer perceived difficulties it presents to the common man, the more likely it will be to be accepted.

There are most likely going to be more hurricanes like Katrina and Rita in the next 50 years. But as the memories fade, places like Holly Beach and Rutherford Beach will again be built up with camps and homes as the memory of Rita becomes more distant. Lack of flood insurance will make getting loans harder, and for a time it'll be RVs under shades. But eventually, the mobile home numbers will rise, and then people will be again be building permanent structures, though probably not with federally guaranteed loans.

["W"]

CCA needs to put there money in marsh restoration not fish limits. Protect the marsh allows strong echo system and trout will take care of them self

CCA works in reverse...cut limits and hell with Marsh restoration we worry about that next limit change to 5 trout

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

I still don't understand how triple tail limits and reducing trout limits take precedent over the oyster issue, ship channel, and weir situation. You would think these issues would be of most importance.

I've always thought it ironic that they are called COASTAL CONSERVATION Association, yet they don't actually do anything to CONSERVE the COAST. They are concerned with fish, that is it. They don't concern themselves with the marshes that are a vital nursery to the fish. They don't concern themselves with the oysters that are an important food source.

Is that Coastal Conservation?

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

I've always thought it ironic that they are called COASTAL CONSERVATION Association, yet they don't actually do anything to CONSERVE the COAST. They are concerned with fish, that is it. They don't concern themselves with the marshes that are a vital nursery to the fish. They don't concern themselves with the oysters that are an important food source.

Is that Coastal Conservation?

Basically my thoughts exactly.

3tail should have been last thing on their agenda. You would think they would understand this, and maybe they have something in the works for the above mentioned issues, but these things should have come a long time ago.

["W"]

I bet Schol and fool

Go to the CCA banquets with starched matching long sleeve shirts with the CCA symbol embroidered on it with khaki shorts with pleats and penny loafers on. Sipping on a 10oz bud light with koozie from there daddy's business talking about all the 7 fishing trips they made last year and how they almost caught a 6lbers on super spook.
Glory Days

[hchol]

Originally Posted by "W"

I bet Schol and fool

Go to the CCA banquets with starched matching long sleeve shirts with the CCA symbol embroidered on it with hakfway shorts with pleats and penny loafers on. Sipping on a 10oz bud light with koozie from there daddy's business talking about all the 7 fishing trips they made last year and how they almost caught a 6lbers on super spook.
Glory Days

I do go to the banquets, buy the shirts, buy a new pair of loafers just for the banquet, and drink an excess of the beer....but I own my own business and get pissed when its only a 6lber